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		<title>By: kvond</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator>kvond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of PC who seems to keep a tender finger lightly and lovingly on the faint pulse there, but yes, you are right, I should at least remove the link from my blogroll and do my part of cleaning up the blogospher (clean blogosphere, now that is an oxymoron). I put it up when the &quot;I blow&#039;d it all up to save it from the barbarians&quot; went over, thinking that there would still be some substantive content, but (yawn), (sigh), it is the worst sort of blogging, something like P-Diddy&#039;s twitter postings (if I can imagine them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of PC who seems to keep a tender finger lightly and lovingly on the faint pulse there, but yes, you are right, I should at least remove the link from my blogroll and do my part of cleaning up the blogospher (clean blogosphere, now that is an oxymoron). I put it up when the &#8220;I blow&#8217;d it all up to save it from the barbarians&#8221; went over, thinking that there would still be some substantive content, but (yawn), (sigh), it is the worst sort of blogging, something like P-Diddy&#8217;s twitter postings (if I can imagine them).</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drat, I&#039;ve been nabbed. Yes, I read it but I didn&#039;t inhale! It&#039;s a fatal attraction - I know it&#039;s bad for me, but when I see that juicy link on other folks&#039; sites I can&#039;t resist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drat, I&#8217;ve been nabbed. Yes, I read it but I didn&#8217;t inhale! It&#8217;s a fatal attraction &#8211; I know it&#8217;s bad for me, but when I see that juicy link on other folks&#8217; sites I can&#8217;t resist.</p>
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		<title>By: kvond</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator>kvond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone is still reading The Temptress&#039;s blog, after its reincarnation. Hmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone is still reading The Temptress&#8217;s blog, after its reincarnation. Hmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Parody Center</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Parody Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>carlo i could not answer the question here, so i sent you a mail.

what a strange little world the Temptress lives in, thinking that everybody wants to spend their time hopping around European capitals in order to chat with Meilassoux about kitchen appliances, then blawg about the pictures of her labrador in Ioway. But i suppose solitary confinement does that to eunuchs, and sooner or later, she will turn into an Object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carlo i could not answer the question here, so i sent you a mail.</p>
<p>what a strange little world the Temptress lives in, thinking that everybody wants to spend their time hopping around European capitals in order to chat with Meilassoux about kitchen appliances, then blawg about the pictures of her labrador in Ioway. But i suppose solitary confinement does that to eunuchs, and sooner or later, she will turn into an Object.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Et tu, Dejan? I just made the mistake of reading another of ET&#039;s advice posts (perhaps the one you have in mind). What he says is exactly right - it&#039;s advice I give and think often. Just do it! Don&#039;t make excuses! And stop whining! Punk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Et tu, Dejan? I just made the mistake of reading another of ET&#8217;s advice posts (perhaps the one you have in mind). What he says is exactly right &#8211; it&#8217;s advice I give and think often. Just do it! Don&#8217;t make excuses! And stop whining! Punk.</p>
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		<title>By: Parody Center</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Parody Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 15:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alright, carl, but remember what the egyptian temptress advised: DO NOT PROCRASTINATE; look up to SERIOUS PEOPLE who WORK, otherwise you&#039;d be turning 40 and before you know it, a rambling spinster. And above all, DO NOT WASTE TIME parodying people like some BLAWG DIVA on the internet!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alright, carl, but remember what the egyptian temptress advised: DO NOT PROCRASTINATE; look up to SERIOUS PEOPLE who WORK, otherwise you&#8217;d be turning 40 and before you know it, a rambling spinster. And above all, DO NOT WASTE TIME parodying people like some BLAWG DIVA on the internet!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 20:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, you mean I can&#039;t just wave my hands around impressively and conjure moments of enlightenment from the minds of all and sundry? Harrumph. Well, this is worth a better conversation than I can manage right now, so I&#039;ll try to reconstruct what I was thinking in a couple days once grades are in and I&#039;ve recovered from decyphering the cryptic outputs of this semester&#039;s 80 different minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, you mean I can&#8217;t just wave my hands around impressively and conjure moments of enlightenment from the minds of all and sundry? Harrumph. Well, this is worth a better conversation than I can manage right now, so I&#8217;ll try to reconstruct what I was thinking in a couple days once grades are in and I&#8217;ve recovered from decyphering the cryptic outputs of this semester&#8217;s 80 different minds.</p>
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		<title>By: parodijski center</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator>parodijski center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to be modernity or modernism as such that makes it so;

how exactly?

In contrast Latour thinks they’re both costly detours, best junked.

more detail please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be modernity or modernism as such that makes it so;</p>
<p>how exactly?</p>
<p>In contrast Latour thinks they’re both costly detours, best junked.</p>
<p>more detail please</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 20:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both for this vivid demonstration of the themes of the post. 

PC, I like your &quot;proposition that the shift to postmodernity didn’t actually entail the dissolution of grand narratives, as much as the sight of them in multi-dimensional mode, the knowledge that they were being produced.&quot; This &#039;standing beside ourselves&#039; (or &#039;double consciousness&#039;, as W.E.B. DuBois termed it in a different context), the increasing inability to live naively in a stably granted second nature (your mention of parallels; and Mikhail&#039;s been talking about &#039;parallax&#039;) seems to be the common thread in a whole range of intellectual and cultural products of the past hundred years or so. 

It seems to be modernity or modernism as such that makes it so; it&#039;s not like this is the first time in history that people have come into reality-disconfirming contact with each other, but the modes and discourses of modernity seem to make this a particularly disruptive or at least fretful experience. It seems to harden the boundaries, to use John&#039;s metaphor. I think it&#039;s in this sense that Toulmin offers the argument in &lt;em&gt;Cosmopolis&lt;/em&gt; that modernity was an anomalous historical eruption, hegemonic but never totally dominant, to which postmodernism is a balance-restoring corrective. In contrast Latour thinks they&#039;re both costly detours, best junked.

Kvond, I love the image of the box with its marketing metanarrative on the front and its &#039;facts&#039; on the sides that we flip between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for this vivid demonstration of the themes of the post. </p>
<p>PC, I like your &#8220;proposition that the shift to postmodernity didn’t actually entail the dissolution of grand narratives, as much as the sight of them in multi-dimensional mode, the knowledge that they were being produced.&#8221; This &#8217;standing beside ourselves&#8217; (or &#8216;double consciousness&#8217;, as W.E.B. DuBois termed it in a different context), the increasing inability to live naively in a stably granted second nature (your mention of parallels; and Mikhail&#8217;s been talking about &#8216;parallax&#8217;) seems to be the common thread in a whole range of intellectual and cultural products of the past hundred years or so. </p>
<p>It seems to be modernity or modernism as such that makes it so; it&#8217;s not like this is the first time in history that people have come into reality-disconfirming contact with each other, but the modes and discourses of modernity seem to make this a particularly disruptive or at least fretful experience. It seems to harden the boundaries, to use John&#8217;s metaphor. I think it&#8217;s in this sense that Toulmin offers the argument in <em>Cosmopolis</em> that modernity was an anomalous historical eruption, hegemonic but never totally dominant, to which postmodernism is a balance-restoring corrective. In contrast Latour thinks they&#8217;re both costly detours, best junked.</p>
<p>Kvond, I love the image of the box with its marketing metanarrative on the front and its &#8216;facts&#8217; on the sides that we flip between.</p>
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		<title>By: kvond</title>
		<link>http://carldyke.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argument-as-war-or-play/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>kvond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 17:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear pc, it seems that the mere drop of your girlfriend&#039;s name has got you all twisted out of sorts. I was exapting Zizek&#039;s point and speaking nothing of NECESSITY. In fact I was agreeing with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear pc, it seems that the mere drop of your girlfriend&#8217;s name has got you all twisted out of sorts. I was exapting Zizek&#8217;s point and speaking nothing of NECESSITY. In fact I was agreeing with you.</p>
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